No one, aside from Brendol Hux perhaps, looks at their child and hopes they grow up to be responsible for the death of billions of people. Ben certainly didn't turn out to be a hero like his namesake.

"Yes, I've done this before." he replied more to Han's reaction to the skewer than the promise of being a better person. "Life in the First Order wasn't all Stormtrooper rations. There's not exactly a galley where the Knights of Ren train. It was this or raw rodent."

He turned his own piece over.

"Rathtar flesh isn't poisonous, right?" It was the kind of afterthought that really shouldn't have been an afterthought.